Monday, June 27, 2011

W.7- The Bigger They Are...

Did you hear it? Bam. Bam. Bam. No, it wasn't the sound of a series of concussive Sabine Lisicki serves. It was the dashing of big-time Wimbledon hopes, one right after the other. First it was those of two-time defending champ Serena Williams that went down with a thud. Then it was world #1 Caroline Wozniacki's. And, finally, five-time Wimbledon champion Venus Williams' hopes bit the dust, as well.

Of the three, Wozniacki's loss is the most unconscionable. After breezing through the first three rounds, showing a willingness to move forward and put away points at the net, the Dane easily won today's opening Round of 16 set against Dominika Cibulkova by a 6-1 score. She lost the 2nd in a tie-break. But after taking an early break lead in the 3rd, the world #1 gradually went away, watching as a more aggressive Cibulkova took advantage of her bigger forehand while the Dane stood back and let it happen, losing earlier that she probably should have at this Wimbledon by a 1-6/7-6/7-5 score to the same diminutive Slovak she defeated in straight sets at last year's U.S. Open.

No matter what sort of tactics Wozniacki employed earlier in this tournament, she didn't follow through with the gameplan when it mattered in a slam "money" match. And with the reality that quite a few of the younger stars of her generation -- Azarenka, Kvitova and Lisicki among them -- ARE succeeding at this slam, this is precisely the wrong time for her slam results to continue their worsening trend over the seven-slam time frame since she reached the '09 final at Flushing Meadows. At the very least, she needs to look at the video footage of how she played leading up to last year's U.S. Open, when she employed a hybrid offensive/defensive style on North American hard courts and looked like she might be ready to win a slam in New York last September. It didn't happen, and this latest loss is only yet another step back for the world #1. With other players stepping up their games at future slams, things aren't going to get any easier for her. In fact, it'll only continue to get more and more difficult, if not impossible, for her to make her way through a seven round slam draw if she doesn't make the changes in her game (well, her mindset, really... as it's her willingness to do it more so than an inability) that will allow her to give herself a decent chance to compete. Cibulkova is an overachieving player who gets far more power out of her small body than one has any right to expect, but a healthy world #1 with no legit ready excuses for Round of 16 losses should not get dumped in a slam by a player who has never won a tour singles title. At least not if she wants to stay #1 for much longer, and/or ever outrun her critics. As a slam contender, Wozniacki risks being swallowed up by those aforementioned young players, and still others just like them, over next year or two if she doesn't do something about it. If that happens, no matter how often the Dane talked about the loads of "time" she had a while back, no player is ever assured of EVER winning a slam. Not even a single one. Ever. If it doesn't happen over the next five slams, it might never happen at all. Tick-tock, Caroline.

At least the Sisters lost to players with a resume of Wimbledon success.

Serena's conqueror, Marion Bartoli, reached the '07 final and defeated Justine Henin en route, meaning the Pastry can now boast SW19 wins over the two best players of her generation. Not too shabby. Sort of like La Trufflette's game today. Coming in, it was easy to think that Bartoli might be at the end of her rope. After all, more than a month ago she said she needed a "miracle" to be healthy enough to even play at Roland Garros, then she went out and had her best-ever result there by reaching the semifinals. In winning the Eastbourne final, she seemed to injure herself yet again. Add to that, she's twice teetered on the edge of defeat at this Wimbledon, feeling nauseated and becoming ill-tempered while facing three match points in one match and enduring 9-7 3rd set in another, and becoming so angry in between winning those two contests that she ordered her parents to leave their courtside seats in mid-match. Even more eyebrow-raising, they followed her orders... then dutifully showed up once again to watch their daughter play ot Court 1 today.

As usual, going all the way back to the odd techniques her father has always employed in her training regimen, while such situations and tactics might prove unmanageable for many players, they work for Bartoli. Where others might crack, the Frenchwoman gets stronger.

She was certainly the better player against Serena today. Serving as consistently as Williams herself traditionally has, Bartoli pounded an ace to lock away the 1st set 6-3, and continually put pressure on Serena in the 2nd. At 2-2 and 3-3, she forced Williams to buck up and hold in games that began at 30/30. At 5-5, the Pastry was bouncing around inside the baseline to receive Serena's FIRST serve... and doing more than just getting away with it. Then Williams failed to put away a volley, sending a ball down the middle of the court, leading to a Bartoli lob that Serena couldn't get back on a high backhand overhead attempt that garnered a break that made the score 6-5. In the next game, Bartoli hit an ace to get to double match point. Serena saved them both, as well as a third, to get a break of serve to keep the match alive. It's at such a point that Williams is generally expected to bend the match back in her favor and walk away with a victory. But it didn't happen.

Instead, after Williams went up a mini-break in the tie-berak at 2-1, she came up short on a drop shot that prevented her from taking an important advantage. She was never able to reclaim the momentum. When Serena missed on a backhand passing attempt, Bartoli had her fourth match point at 6-5. Serena saved that one, too. But on match point #5, Bartoli slammed a service winner to advance by a 6-3/7-6 score.

While Bartoli outserved Serena, Tsvetana Pironkova did the same in pretty much every category against Venus, an upset loser to the Bulgarian in last year's QF (and the '06 Australian Open 1st Round). From the start, she appeared to be existing under a gloomy sky just after Serena's exit, and it never really changed as Pironkova beat her in nearly every battle. This was such a repeat of last year that it had the same score, a 6-2/6-3 Pironkova victory. But her win was even more comprehensive this time around. Venus was NEVER in it. The Bulgarian raced to the 1st set win, and held game point for 4-1 in the 2nd just as quickly. It wasn't until then that Venus even got her FIRST break point opportunity of the match. She converted it, but then threw in enough errors to be broken back immediately in the next game. In Game #7, Pironkova saved three break points, confidently holding on the back of a strong 1st serve and backhand. A year ago, Pironkova joyfully collapsed on her back in victory. This time, she lustily pumped her fist. She EXPECTED to win this time.

Speaking of expectation. The difference in it when it came to Wozniacki and the Sisters coming into this Wimbledon was quite stark. Hardly anyone gave the world #1 a chance to win, while the Sisters' ultimate result is looked at as "disappointing" even though Serena had played just one event since last Wimbledon, and Venus only two slams and Eastbourne over the same timespan. It says a lot about the reputation of all three. Holding to form, it's hard to believe that Serena won't be back in top form soon, maybe by the end of the summer. Even if nowhere else, Venus will again be a contender at this time next year on the grass, too. Wozniacki? It's getting harder and harder to stand behind the notion that she definitely WILL win a slam at some point. Through the first three rounds at this Wimbledon, that belief got a hopeful injection of life. After today's loss, I'm sort of back to square one with her... waiting for the Dane to "give me a reason."

As it stands, a first-time finalist will emerge from the bottom half of the draw (and maybe from the top, as well), and that final will be without a Williams Sister for only the second time since 2000. The young generation of players seems to FINALLY be making a move at SW19. Azarenka and Kvitova are real-time, every slam title contenders. Lisicki, if she can stay healthy, might be, too. Certainly at Wimbledon, at the very least. Paszek was touted as a future Top 5 player by Justine Henin a few years ago, and may now be living up to the promise she showed as a 16-year old. Meanwhile, Bartoli seems to be following the recent pattern of players reaching their peak in their late 20's. All in all, this is a GOOD thing for women's tennis. Naturally, it'll be met by shrugs, especially if Maria Sharapova, the sole marquee name left for casual fans -- also known in some parts as "anyone involved in sports reporting who doesn't follow tennis on a weekly basis, which is about 99.99% of said group" -- loses before the final. Those people don't pay attention, then complain that they don't know the players when they have a big-time result in a slam. There are a lot of great potential stories left in the final eight women in the draw. If Sharapova isn't the last woman standing, though, getting more people to give the appropriate respect to whoever it may be is the dilemma that the tour will next face. But such is WTA life.

The opportunity is there for SOMEONE to grab the sport by the neck over the next five days. If Wozniacki's not going to do it, then another woman must. Thus, we wait.

...Prince William and Kate Middleton were in the Royal Box to watch the Andy Murray match today, and with the way Rafael Nadal was sometimes hobbling around against the equally sometimes hobbling around Juan Martin del Potro today, the chances that the near future could very well see the two young royals -- or maybe someone even a good bit older and little higher up on the royalty ladder, maybe? -- return on Sunday to watch the Scotsman in the final are looking a little better today. Of course, considering this is Murray we're talking about (and add in that I picked him to reach the final before the tournament, too), that likely means it WON'T happen.

...elsewhere, while the Sisters and the Dane were being shown the door, Petra Kvitova had another no-drama day. Actually, there was probably more "drama" before the start of her match, when people were wondering whether she should have attended that rock festival in Scotland on Sunday night. Apparently, it had no ill effects on her game, as she wiped the lawn with Yanina Wickmayer 6-0/6-2. The Czech has yet to drop a set, or even come close to doing so (she hasn't lost more than three games in any stanza). She'll face fellow 2010 semifinalist Pironkova next in a match-up of the only two women to repeat their Final 8 results from a year ago.

Victoria Azarenka also easily moved forward, getting to within one win of her long-awaited first slam semifinal. She handled Nadia Petrova 6-2/6-2. Oh, Nadia. Unlike Kvitova, Azarenka HAS lost a set at this Wimbledon, but she gutted out a three-set win against Daniela Hantuchova. The last time Kvitova played a close match, she lost it, to Bartoli in the Eastbourne final. We'll see if the lack of any real competition so far will hurt the Czech down the line. As for the Belarusian, she'll next get Tamira Paszek, who won in three today over Ksenia Pervak to follow up on her victory in that marathon 11-9 3rd set against Francecsa Schiavone.

The Austrian is a previous Wimbledon quarterfinalist (in '07), but if Azarenka loses one has to think she'll exit London, at this point, even more disappointed that either the Sisters or Wozniacki, considering the golden opportunity that has fallen into her lap at this slam.

In the top half of the draw, things look to be playing out rather well for Maria Sharapova. She, too, hasn't lost a set at this Wimbledon following her win today over Peng Shuai. She lost to her next opponent, Cibulkova, in the QF at Roland Garros in '09, but the Russian will be the heavy favorite this time around. Of course, any Sharapova run to her first final at SW19 since 2004 might have to deal with Sabine Lisicki. The German became the eighth female wild card to reach a slam quarterfinal with her win over Petra Cetkovska, reaching her second Final Eight at Wimbledon in the last three years while winning her tenth straight match in this grass court season. But Lisicki's fate will likely rest on whether or not she can continue to serve as well in pressure situations as she has so far this fortnight. Her next opponent is Bartoli, who's won nine straight.

...there are two of The Five left, Sharapova and Kvitova, and there's still a good chance that both could reach the final.

...the women's quarterfinals consist of women from eight different nations. It's the third time in the last four slams that that's happened, as eight nations provided the quarterfinalists at both the '11 Australian Open and '10 U.S. Open, as well.

...Day 7's upsets weren't restricted to women's singles action. The doubles competition took some big hits, too, as the #1 seeded team of Vania King & Yaroslava Shvedova (the defending champions) went out at the hands of Lisicki & Sam Stosur. So much for King going after that #1 doubles ranking, I guess. Also, #5 Mattek-Sands/Shaughnessy lost to Llagostera-Vives/Parra-Santonja, #10 Benesova/Zahlavova-Strycova went down against lucky losers Erakovic/Tanasguarn, and #11 Martinez-Sanchez & Medina-Garrigues were defeated by Dushevina & Makarova.

A few intriguing upcoming doubles match-ups: #2 Peschke/Srebotnik vs. #14 Peer/Black, #8 Peng/Zheng vs. Date-Krumm/Zhang, and #4 Mirza/Vesnina vs. #13 Hantuchova/A.Radwanska.

In the Men's Doubles, the #2, #3 and #4 seeds are already out before the quarterfinals, as well.

...18-year old Australian Bernard Tomic is the youngest Wimbledon quarterfinalist since Boris Becker (also 18) won his second straight title in 1986. And Roger Federer extended his record streak of consecutive slam QF results to twenty-nine.

...and, finally, while everyone was paying attention to Wimbledon, champions were still being crowned on the ITF circuit.

24-year old Italian Karin Knapp, ranked #35 back in 2008 but carrying a #251 ranking last week, gets the "ITF Player of the Week" for claiming her second circuit title of '11 by defeating Laura Thorpe (following earlier victories over Kristina Mladenovic & Evelyn Mayr) in the final of the $25K challenger in Rome.

Also, on the high and low end of the winner's age scale, 31-year old Pastry Severtine Beltrame (in Perigueux, France) won a singles title, while 17-year old American Kyle McPhillips (in Cleveland) claimed the first pro title of her career.

#24 Dominika Cibulkova/SVK vs. #5 Maria Sharapova/RUS
(WC) Sabine Lisicki/GER vs. #9 Marion Bartoli/FRA
Tamira Paszek/AUT vs. #4 Victoria Azarenka/BLR
#8 Petra Kvitova/CZE vs. #32 Tsvetana Pironkova/BUL

#1 Rafael Nadal/ESP vs. #10 Mardy Fish/USA
#4 Andy Murray/GBR vs. Feliciano Lopez/ESP
#12 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga/FRA vs. #3 Roger Federer/SUI
(Q) Bernard Tomic/AUS vs. #2 Novak Djokovic/SRB

1995 US Open - Monica Seles (RU)
2002 Roland Garros - Mary Pierce
2006 Australian Open - Martina Hingis
2008 Wimbledon - Zheng Jie (SF)
2009 Australian Open - Jelena Dokic
2009 US Open - Kim Clijsters (W)
2010 Australian Open - Justine Henin (RU)

[career slam QF - active]
33...Venus Williams
31...Serena Williams
18...Kim Clijsters
12...Svetlana Kuznetsova
9...Nadia Petrova
7...Jelena Jankovic
7...Dinara Safina
7...Francesca Schiavone
6...Kimiko Date-Krumm
6...Li Na
5...Ana Ivanovic
5...Vera Zvonareva
4...Jelena Dokic
4...Daniela Hantuchova
4...Agnieszka Radwanska
4...Caroline Wozniacki
3...Anna Chakvetadze
3...Kaia Kanepi
3...Samantha Stosur
2...Shahar Peer
2...Flavia Pennetta
2...Andrea Petkovic
2...Lisa Raymond
2...Carla Suarez-Navarro
2...Zheng Jie
[2011 QF - individual]
2...Li Na
2...Andrea Petkovic
2...Francesca Schiavone
1...10 players with 1
[2011 - by nation]
1...AUSTRIA, Belgium, BULGARIA, Denmark, Poland, SLOVAK REPUBLIC
[Last 2 seasons - by nation]
6...United States
4...Belgium, Italy
1...AUSTRIA, Kazakhstan, Poland, Serbia

[through 4th Rd.]
19-15...Russia (Sharapova)
13-10...Czech Republic (Kvitova)
8-5...Germany (Lisicki)
7-6...France (Bartoli)
6-2...Slovak Republic (Cibulkova)
5-2...Belarus (Azarenka)
4-0...Bulgaria (Pironkova)
4-2...Austria (Paszek)

TOP EARLY ROUND (1r-2r): #8 Petra Kvitova/CZE
TOP QUALIFYING MATCH: Q3: Alexa Glatch/USA def. Galina Voskoboeva/KAZ 3-6/7-6/12-10
TOP EARLY RD. MATCH (1r-2r): 2nd Rd. - #23 Venus Williams/USA def. Kimiko Date-Krumm/JPN 6-7/6-3/8-6 (2:55)
TOP UNDER-THE-ROOF MATCH: Nominee: 2nd Rd. - V.Williams d. K.Date-Krumm 6-7/6-3/8-6 (2:55)
FIRST WIN: Kimiko Date-Krumm/JPN (def. O'Brien/GBR)
FIRST SEED OUT: #22 Shahar Peer (1st Rd. - lost to Pervak/RUS)
NATION OF POOR SOULS: Australia (1-3 in 1st Rd., losses by Stosur & Dokic)
LAST BRITS STANDING: Elena Baltacha, Anne Keothavong & Laura Robson (2nd Rd.)
CRASH & BURN: #15 Jelena Jankovic/SRB (1st Rd. loss to Martinez-Sanchez/ESP, worst slam result since '05 RG)
* S.Lisicki (down 2 MP vs. Li in 2nd Rd.)
* M.Bartoli (down 3 MP vs. Dominguez-Lino in 2nd Rd., wins 9-7 3rd set vs. Pennetta in 3rd Rd.)
* T.Paszek (Schiavone served for match in 3rd Rd., wins 11-9 3rd set)

All for Day 7. More tommorow.


Blogger Diane said...

I've said this before, but I believe it even more strongly now: Wozniacki doesn't have the mentality to win a major. I don't mean this as a knock on Cibulkova, a player I like a lot. But I think the window--if it was ever really open--is shutting on Wozniacki, insofar as these major events go.

Winning a major requires skill, physical stamina and a high level of mental toughness. Wozniacki has stamina for days. Her skill level is very high, but she gets stuck in the same gear over and over, and it nags at me because I think she could get out of that gear. But something stops her. I think that "something" is psychological. Actually, I have a growing theory about all that, but you know how we mental health practitioners are :)

Mon Jun 27, 07:09:00 PM EDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How tough it is to admit I have to say that I agree with you both. Caro has a mental point when it comes to slams. It looked really fine for three matches and 1½ set where she was cool calm and collected and it all went downhill because she began to think. Normally thoughts can be a good sign but I'm not so sure in a tennis match. I'm not so pessimistic as both of you are but maybe it's the time for her to change coach. Well that's my Wimbledon.

Tue Jun 28, 01:15:00 AM EDT  
Blogger Steen said...

Really, what is it about Woz that makes friends and foe alike go over the top, whenever she has a defeat?
Don't get me wrong, I'm as disappointed about Caro's loss as anyone. But your reaction (to say nothing of Diane's) seems to me totally disproportionate. Her slam-winning window closing? Ehm... the girl is 20 – as Steve Tignor (who can't be accused of being a fervent fan of hers) said some time ago, if she hadn't been no. 1, would anyone have expected her to have won a slam at this stage of her career? Yes, some players are stepping their game up at the slams, compared to previous, but then others are falling back (Jankovic, Stosur, Zvonareva – arguably also the W's). It has always been like that, and many of the present 'upwarders' may very well fall back again, and vice versa. In the middle of that Caro has at least stayed stable.
Which leads me to one point where I think your pessimism has really lead you astray: The bit about the 'worsening trend' of her slam-results since USO '09. Well, it's true she hasn't been back to a slam final, but, let us be honest: The '09 final was to a large degree result of the draw disintegrating. Prior to that tournament, however, she had never made it out of R16, whereas she has made 2 semis and 1 quarter since – if anything I'd call that an upward trend, of Caro's typical, steady, 'one-step-at-the-time' kind.
And then I have to repeat a point, I also made at this site after AO: You and many others have been advising her to start changing her game and take along the inevitable defeats it would lead to. Well, she IS doing that – developing a net game and changing her serve, most of all – and it DOES lead to some embarassing defeats. But it is hardly conducive to make her work more on these things, when the very people, who suggested doing so, are treating those defeats, they had themselves predicted as absolute disasters. (Incidentially, in your answer to me back then you expressed a worry that she might ”rest on her laurels and continue to play the game that got her to no. 1” - now you seem to be asking her to do just that when you suggest she ”needs to look at the video footage of how she played leading up to last year's U.S. Open”)
As to Diane's comment, I agree her problem is primarily mental, but not that it is some kind of deepseated, incurable complex. I'd say it is simply the constant 'If you're no. 1 then why haven't you won a slam?' that kicks in when she gets behind in a slam-match, making her think 'Oh God, what will they say now?' and freezing her up so she can't make the kind of comeback that is her speciality outside the slams. But that should not be incurable – the only thing that could make it so is if she starts buying into Todd's 'You have to win a slam NOW'. No, she hasn't – there IS plenty of time. Sure, new talents may turn up (though in fact the age-groups just below Caro's do seem rather thin in that respect), but in the meantime Caro is gaining in experience – and if anything the later years have shown that tennis is more and more becoming the domain of the experienced players.

Tue Jun 28, 05:16:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Todd Spiker said...

Yep, Diane, I've never been averse to thinking that top players losing big matches can't be cured quicker with a little time on the couch. Who knows how much earlier Novotna might have won a slam had she followed that path, you know. :)

Hoergren, I do hope you won't be having a rooting interest in Bastad. She isn't playing that event, is she? I hope not. I some point someone has to say ENOUGH. I don't think it's a coincidence that the best shape her game has looked came in the months after she had a bit more time off to practice and hit the ground running with a revved up game in North America last summer.

As for Wozniacki's window, I have to wonder about that myself. I never said she has to win a slam NOW, just that she needs to be showing a progression toward it. She's had the same types of discouraging results far too often this year -- losing to players precisely like the four players who are now in the Wimbledon semis. I'm still sticking with the timetable I set at the start of the season, that I thought her best chance at a slam would come in 2012 rather than 2011. But that thought was based on a static WTA where younger players of her generation hadn't begun to make their moves and, more importantly, Wozniacki herself had continued to make the progress she showed late last summer. That's what I was talking about, steen, when I talked about looking back at the video of how she was playing last summer. Her game then wasn't a finished product, but at least she seemed to be making an effort to be more aggressive. That hasn't been the Wozniacki we've seen this year, and I still wonder just how much her offseason preparation (or lack of it) really set her back from the get-go this year. She started slowly, and it's like she's been trying to furiously catch up all year. Throw in her overscheduling and she never has a chance to take a breath and regroup.

The "old" game I meant was the too-defensive on big points type of thing we almost always have seen in '11 when she's faced other players showing the aggression that she seems willing to let play out before her. You know, the type of game that lets her breeze to a title in Copenhagen, but isn't good enough in pressurized slam situations when matches are decided by a few points here or there. She was doing such a good job at trying to be more forward at Wimbledon, then completely abandoned it at the most important time against Cibulkova. I'll mention here again what I said before, a world #1 who says she can win a slam shouldn't be able to be beaten to the punch by a 5'1" player who's never even won any singles titles. Nothing against Cibulkova, but that's a match that Wozniacki just can't lose when she's trying to defend herself against criticism that harps on the fact that she's losing more and more matches against players who simply make an effort to be more aggressive than she is.

If Wozniacki were losing these matches because she was actively trying to work a different style into her matches, it'd be fine. The problem is that when she's losing it's often because she's not doing that. Instead, she's waiting for her opponent to make a mistake. When that doesn't happen, and then THEY move forward to try to take control of points she's at their mercy. If they make the shots, they win. She needs to take that type of initiative more often, and when she's losing to the types of players she has to beat to win a slam -- Goerges, Petkovic, Sharapova, Li -- it's usually because they're beating her to the punch time and time again. She needs to be more fearless, and maybe that's the problem -- she doesn't feel comfortable taking chances. There's nothing really wrong with that sort of personality, except if you're a professional athlete trying to be the best in your sport.

Tue Jun 28, 09:42:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Todd Spiker said...

As far as her worsening slam results, with her loss to Li in the AO the exception (though she did again stay back and allow Li to take control of the match point she had), she's often been crushed and made to look very bad when she has lost, no matter what round it might be in. Kvitova destroyed her at last year's Wimbledon, and every time she's been bounced like that at a slam she's emerged "lesser" for it. She wasn't even in the discussion as Wimbledon began, and that shouldn't be happening with a #1 player.

The fact is, while if Wozniacki wasn't #1 she wouldn't have the "slam-less" label dangled over her head so early in her career, it might also be true that no one would be discussing her a potential slam champion at all if she weren't #1. I understand the thought that too much pressure is being put on Wozniacki for not being a slam champ, but things change so fast on the tour. A player with her current style of game, in an era where so many top players' games are based on power, has to have a particular set of circumstances to win a slam, so every opportunity has to be taken advantage of. I keep going back to Hingis. She was #1 in the world and won a bunch of slams, but as soon as the tour became populated by big hitters she was pushed out of slam contention and was never able to win another. If a player isn't a big hitter, and ALSO isn't willing to push the action at least some of the time, she risks being overwhelmed by the constantly growing number of players who will. That doesn't mean a player like that can't be a consistent Top 10 player, but being a Top 10er isn't the same thing as being capable of winning a slam. There have been a lot of Top 10ers who were irrelevant when it came to being serious slam contenders. As the season has gone on, Wozniacki has looked more and more like that. And as she gets more defensive in her answers to questions regarding the whole situation (especially the whole "I don't care what people think or say or do" one from the other day) I wonder if the one thing that gave me confidence that she'd figure it out in the long run -- her intelligence -- might get muddled and lost in the mess.

I'll still hold onto the fact that she CAN change enough to join that group, but if she doesn't do it (or at least come close, breeding encouragement that can extend her window a bit longer) within the next five slams I really doubt if she ever will.

Tue Jun 28, 09:43:00 PM EDT  

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